I have another trainer that I need everyone's opinion on. I seem to really like his techniques. He works with horses without even using a bridle. He works them at liberty.
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Hi Horse addict!
I personally do not like horsetraining at liberty, because these things are learned behaviors (like saying "sit!" to a dog an he sits down).
Monty's techniques are not based on tricks but on the horses' own language. It's about communication and not about circus tricks.
But that is only my single opinion and does not mean you should not work with your trainers methods.
Greetings from Germany
yours Jasmin
Nevzorov is a wonderful horseman!
Hi guys! Thanks for your opinion.
"renjaho 2011-Jun-29 at 12:12PM
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Hi Horse addict!
I personally do not like horsetraining at liberty, because these things are learned behaviors (like saying "sit!" to a dog an he sits down).
Monty's techniques are not based on tricks but on the horses' own language. It's about communication and not about circus "
Hello everybody
just a question to renjaho..
moving off pressure, cutting etc,accepting saddle, bridle and rider is not learned behavior?
I think that horsemen like Nevzorov, Hempfling, Parelli and many others, are really excellent, but they should be seen also critically. One should consider, that these people dedicate their life to the work with horses and spend most of the day with them. In the videos in internet they show only the perfect results. We never see what happens in between. Who knows, if we had the time, the structures, the different horses to work with, etc, maybe we could achieve similar results.
I don't want to minimize the work they do, but I think that one should be careful to idealize the methods as if they were religions and the horsemen the gurus.
I personally like the work at liberty, but I don't see any sense in a horse lying on its back or sitting like a dog. In that point I agree with renjaho.
Regards Billybaji
Circus tricks aside, I think it is fair to give Nevzorov credit for having the best interest of the horses in mind in his work. The heart of it is non-violence, dialog and co-operation, to create a basis where horses aren't bullied and hurt.
We also need to keep in mind that in many parts of Russia, from where he comes, the culture around horses - or animals in general for that matter - is very far away from what we usually see in western Europe and North America. The violence, neglect and sheer cruelty toward these amazing creatures are sometimes beyond belief. He needs to show these people very clearly what can be done with kindness, in a way that captures their interest.
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I wouldn't work with "freedom dressage" myself but I have a great respect for those who can achieve this kind of cooperation and trust from their horses. In Sweden we have Tobbe Larsson, who is an excellent horse trainer. I don't know what he knows of Monty Roberts, but from his book, the principles are much the same.
@ Billybaji:
Of course also beeing ridden is a learned behaviour of horses. But I have never been talking about riding anyway.
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What I have been talking about is that Monty's working from the ground is based on language, trust and understanding and not on learned behaviors.
Kind regards
Jasmin
I think Alexander deserves our hats off to him for where he lives, people treat horses very inhumanly with the bridle, spurs, and whips.