I have had the same problem with my mare. I managed join-up a couple of times, but I have difficulty getting her to move out and go on the long-line. I'll be interested to see what answers you get.
Sorry I couldn't help.

Hi

Monty's longlining videos on here are really helpful. For a horse new to longlining I find the key is to continue the principles of eye contact/body language/good body positioning (as used in the Join Up process) to send your horse to the outer edge of the circle and use regular turns and directional change to keep things interesting/moving rather than just going round and round the circle. As you and the horse get more 'expert' at longlining the signals will come from the lines (whether on Dually or bit - I use a Dually) as well and the horse begins to understand the signals from there. Hope that helps - not an easy thing to describe on here, but hope it makes sense in conjunction with the videos.

Assuming you are long lining on two lines, a very easy solution is to put the outer line behind his butt (above the hocks) and keep a light pressure - not bending his neck outwards - just support! - and the horse usually understands pretty soon were you want it to be.
Do remember to reward correct behavior and stop to praise and change reins once he has done say two consecutive good laps.

Thank very much good comments. I need to accept little tries too and reward even if he takes a step.
Thanks
Andrea xx

In a left hand circle use your left arm to keep him out.

Hi,
I have the same problem as Andy. Already after half a circle my horse is asking me by putting his head down to the ground whether we could please stop. Moving my offside reins against his hocks does not really help. It just seems to confuse the steering and makes him stop. I even tried with a pole and a plastic bag fixed to it (see Monty's book "From my hands to yours")to keep him going, but unfortunately my horse knows that sometimes carrots come in plastic bags and therefore was rather drawn to the bag instead of running away from it. I would have to put a lot of agressive energy against him in order to make him move away from me. Yet, I do not want to spend that much energy just to insist on him moving around me in circles. Moreover, I do not want him to be afraid of me. I have taught him that whenever something bothers him he can come to my side and is safe. Are there any suggestions how a lazy but very intellegent horse can be motivated to be long lined. Monty always demonstrates long lining on horses that are easily scared and run away from the handler once he gets into the driving position or uses a little bit of agressive energy (klicking with the tonge or lifting the arm seems to be enough).
Thanks for any suggestions,
Beate

Hi. I did Monty's intro course in California this Nov so hope this helps. Remember to send away use: intent, focus, energy, picture your horse moving away and staying away, eye on eye contact, stamp your feet, look focused rather than smiling, turn. As my horses are new to this, I always explain that I'm learning their language and in so doing need them understand for me to make them feel safe and secure, they need to understand me and respond. The sending away isn't about aggression or being nasty. It shows them that yes, we are predators (you can never change that because they recognise our eyes' position on our heads) but 'oh, she wants me to go away and I am but nothing bad happens. Good. I want to relax now I know that and come in'. It's about being lead mare, not head of the herd, showing you are worthy of their trust and therefore they will place their life in you as their leader. If you have a school in which you can put some barrels, tyres, you can long-line doing something and then do circling and if she/he comes in change direction and go off to the barrels. You're never using aggressive energy, you're using 'up' energy, strength, not aggression. Fi

Dear Andy, :-) don't give up ! It's great you achieved Join-Up = you could send your horse away from you and ask him back. See, here he went away ! So just put the same confidence and energy into the sending away with the long lines. Flip the inner line, kick sand, be big etc. I had a Tinker mare who had me coming back three times before she went off for a Join-Up at the third day ! And I had a mare blind on one eye who was very difficult to send away on her blind side with the longlines - at the beginning. Later in our training sessions she went off perfectly from me - and does not yet with her owner. Your horse will learn to understand the difference between a Join-Up and a long lining session. I am learning right now the difference between working with foreign horses and with my (very first) own horse. Wow, what a difference. I WANT to get it right NOW so hard that I make several mistakes. You do not ask him in immediately if he asks you during a Join-Up, don't you ? and although he wants to be with you after YOU asked him in when YOU decided it was the right moment. so he is not disapointed or does mistrust you. Yes, we must sometimes use a lot of energy and it is some kind of exhausting but if you made it, you feel, it was worth it because long lining is fun for both, the horse and us. Let us konw, if it has worked !! VioBerlin