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Just a "little" story....

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Hi all horse lovers,

I am Renske and I am 17 years old and a beautifull mare.
I am at the farm here for six years now and before, I stayed at a farm were I was working in front of a cart and also people who were sitting on me.
I had 6 babies over the years and one of them is Luuk (my 2 and a half year boy) who is still with me, next in the fields with an other horse called Senna.
In all those 6 years I had a good life here and my leader is taking very good care of me.
But I have to tell you something...., one day a lady was coming, that was this last summer.
I didn't know here, but she came into my room just at the time I was having my breakfast. Humm... I thought... What are you coming to do here? She stroke me... but I was to busy with my hay and I didn't want that stroke. But she tried to stroke me again and she was making sounds (talking?) to and I thought oké, oké... give me a stroke.
Ha...and guess she gave me a carrot!!! Yeh... I liked that and took it from her hand. And she gave me an other one, yummy. I tried to give her a bumb with my head, because I wanted more and sniffled and nibbled in her pockets, but there was nothing left. She didn't like the bumb, I could see, because she went backwards. She left my room and was gone. I was finishing my breakfast and there I stood, waiting what was going to happen. Ah, my leader came and took me to the field as ever he does.
The other day that lady came again!!! Yehyeh.. maybe she has got carrots. And she had and I took it from her hand and did the same procedure to ask for more. And she didn't like the bumb, she said something like "auch..."
Then she putted me my halter on and came into my room. Hum...I wasn't sure what to do, because I did't know her and I wasn't sure I could trust her. I can't only trust her because she is giving me carrots!!! Don't you think?
All the time she was looking into my eyes and that scarred me a little bit. I thought, oké you can give me carrots, but getting me out of my room is an other story. She tried hard to get me out of my room, but I stood still and didn't move a leg. I have to say, that she was quite patient with me and after a few minutes I gave it a change and let me lead out of my comfortable room.
She putted me on the ring and started to brush me. Oh my oh my....she didn't know how it worked!! Which brush she had to use etc.etc. I stood there and looked at my leader, because that felt save.
And the worth thing was she started to sit on me and tried to handle me. Haha.. I thought that's to much. I am going to lead you, because I don't know you and I can't trust you. And it was good I have to say, that I was leading, because she didn't know nothing.
The other day we went to the sandschool and I was standing in a very small circel. Hm.... she stood there as well and was flappering with her arms and send me away... O help, I am going to run now in circles, because she is speaking a language I don't like. In a meanwhile she started to let me turn and I did, offcourse. After a few rounds I felt more comfortable and gave her my ear and started to lick and chew, went into small circles and put my head down for her. Am I easy or am I easy? She was oké and I went to her. Do you know what she did? She stroke me between the eyes, didn't look into my eyes. But what I could see was tears in her eyes. That was so silly... I am coming to her and she starts to cry!!! What I also felt was care and softness and I liked that.
Well after that, one day, when I gave her a little more respect, and she was sitting on me, she fell of from me. Silly lady without experiences.. But I felt very sorry for her and turned around to look at her lying in the sand. She sat down and I walked to her, put my head down and she gave me a stroke and she told me it wasn't my fault. Hm...good to hear, she was not blaming me.
After that I didn't see her for a while and I thought she was never coming back.
But that was not true... SHE CAME.... but she was different. She had instead of two legs 4 legs now!?!?! Strange....but I thouhgt I give it a change, when she has the carrots with her. And she had, but now I didn't get it from her hand, she putted the carrots in my trough. That's also good I thought. She told me that there were no carrots left and when I bumbed her she reacted differently. Hm...
I don't do the bumb with my head now anymore or sniffle and snap to her pockets, because it doesn't help.
Also I could see that she was not looking in my eyes anymore and stood there in a different way. She looked at my shoulder and I thought I give it a try to come to her. She gave me a stroke between the eyes and she looked down. Ha.. what a release was that... I can trust her more.
Because of her four legs and walking very slow, (silly isn't it? she got four legs now and is moving slower then 2 legs)my leader brought me to the ring and the lady started to brush me. Yes, on three legs.. one was gone... how is that possible??..
After day in day out doing that and introducing a yellow soft wet thing she puts on my face and cleans it,I didn't like in the first place, I felt more comfortable with her. She was understanding me better, because she was going to talk my lanquage. She did everything in slowmotion, but I didn't mind. Sometimes she was talking to me and sometimes she made funny noises, you call it singing, I liked that.
After weeks of walking on four or three legs she stood on two legs again and could move faster. I think it is still strange,puh...
Nearly every day she is coming. I am now confinced of her in what she is doing.
Every morning I am looking out of my stabledoor to see if she is coming and I am whynnying, to tell her that I am there. She always comes first to me and stroke me. I don't get any time a carrot anymore, but I don't mind. I like to see her and I am glad that she is making progress to learn my language.
When she is getting me, after drinking coffee with my leader and starting to get her attention by whynning, she is coming and puts me the halter on. I put my head down for her.
She comes into my room and I am turning already around and she waits for me to come. I stop nose by her shoulder and let her click a rope on.
I can tell her now when she is brushing me, that I am not relaxed when flies are teasing me and she puts some nasty smelling stuff on my legs. In the beginning I was very afraid of that, but now it is alright. It helps and I can stand very still and enjoy my treatment.
She understands me when I tell her that something is itching and she takes care of that. She gives me a lot of love and understanding and I give the same back. She can look me in the eyes now, because it is a softer look and she can stroke me every where. Sometimes she is also doing some long strokes and I am relaxing. I close my eye and sometimes I am licking and chewing when she is doing something new. She waits and gives me the time to let things sink in. She respects my area's and don't press me.
I don't have to tell you, that I am a very happy horse and I can see that my bond with her is getting stronger and stronger.
She gives love and attention to me and I give her back.
It is energy what flows, without words, in my lanquage Equus.
Oh, and by the way she leaves me alone now when I am having my breakfast..yeh...
So horselovers, I know you all are treating your four (real) legs friends very well.
And I am so happy about that.
Thank's to a man who started and spread his experiences to all of us who want's to listen, learn and act. And thanks to help my two legs friend for the advices you are giving her to understand me better.
Bye all, maybe you will hear more stories from me.

Buhbuhbuh,
Renske.

Dennis
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May
Nice story. Renske is a very good story teller!

Cheers

May - Holland
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Hi Dennis,

Thank you, I will tell her that tomorrow.

Have a nice weekend,
cheers, May.

Bea
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Hi Renske, hi May,

Thanks for sharing your story, very moving. I'm also glad to read that you are on your two legs now again...
Being a new virtual student, and a very new horse owner (bought my baby today! Yeh!), i was wondering how you made her stop snifing and pumping you for another carrot?

Cheers,

Beatrice

May - Holland
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Hi Beatrice,

Welcome to the University and the forum.
Renske says: "I am very glad you like my story".

May says: What I did was putting the carrot in her trough. Renske was reaching the carrot in the first place when I wanted to put it there. Then before I putted it in the trough I took it away. Didn't give her the carrot. Said no... and started again to put it in the trough. After a few time she understood to wait for me to put it in the trough.
When she had eaten them all, she tryed to bump into me. I stept backwords, so she couldn't reach me and said no...and put my right hand up. Closed fingers, flat hand palm of the hand to her in front of my right shoulder level, I looked her in the eyes, not realy agressive, but firm. She looked at me and when she stopped trying, I waited a few seconds, I went to her and gave her a stroke between the eyes. Then I started again, carrot in trough. etc... Well Renske and all other horses (I belief) are very clever when we are talking about food, haha. So in a few times doing the new process, she did no sniffing and bumping into me. When I come to her now in the stable, 5 out of 10, I don't have a carrot for her and she is very good at that. She does that buhbuhbuh sound and comes to me to say hello and I can stroke her even standing under her head, before her chest and stroke her neck on both sides. She doesn't give any reaction at all, that she want's to bumb into me.
I don't say this is the Monty method, I did it with my intuition and feeling and I learned from the forum not to give food out of your hand, because of possible biting etc... It is a choise you make on this. But I am glad that I made this choise and have the results.

Good luck with your little baby...
Cheers, May.

Rudi - Pratteln, Switzerland
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Dear May, you are very close to the clicker training. I have tried your system as well. It works if you want to connect your person with something positive. If you want to use it for other training purposes (e.g. lowering the head) it is too complicated.
To your story: It reflects the basic idea that we should try to understand what horses think. Monty also often speaks for the horse in the same manner during the shows.

May - Holland
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Hi Rudi,

Aha.... then I will look into that clicker training, thank you. Do you have a website for me where I can find the right information?
I didn't know/notice that Monty speaks through the horse during a show.
I am going to England, Devon end of Oct. to see Monty. I will listen what he is saying.
By the way you have got two "medals" now for completing 100 and 150 lessons, wauw.
Mine is stucked on 4 and I watch quit often the lessons, how come? Do you have an answer for this?

Thanks for your reaction.
I will tell Renske that I am on the good track, and she will agree on this, I am sure.
Cheers, May.

May - Holland
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Hi Dennis,
I see you have got them too the "medals".
I am impressed.

Cheers.

May - Holland
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Hi Rudi,

Pffttt.... clever me...
I just found out how I can put up my lessons in numbers, just answer the questions.
Oké, before you know I have also my "medal".

Rudi - Pratteln, Switzerland
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Try http://www.theclickercenter.com/. The basic book is from Alexandra Kurland. Remains the controversy to Monty's principle of not feeding by hand. You have found a possible solution. Another solution is rewarding without food.

May - Holland
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Hi Rudi,

Thank you for helping, i will look into this.

Cheers.