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Why can't they see the damage?

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Not often I get cross about something, but I was watching a YouTube clip of a horse trainer. Her write up said it wasn't perfect but she'd achieved join up and follow up. I disagree what she did was nothing like a join up, which we see every time we look through YouTube videos. What caught my attention though was the way the owner of the channel put down peoples comments who tried to tell her that violence is not needed. Two of the comments were from youngsters, one being 11yrs old and she tore a strip off this girl for wanting to be kind to her horse.
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I couldn't help myself but completely ripped her training session to pieces. If you want to watch the video I've put a copy on my blog with a long description of what she is doing to the horse and more importantly what the horse is telling her.
Overall the horse had zero respect for her.
http://equinewithmelaniehetfield.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/what-is-your-horse-telling-you-aggressive-stallion-kicks/
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Enjoy! :-)

Mal
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When viewing such material, and I include all items - the video itself, the comments and responses - I try to give myself the same 'soak time' that I'd give a horse who is learning something new.
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The overall feeling of this set is "Take Charge." It appears everywhere; in the body language and actions on screen and in the treatment of anyone who responds negatively. So, we've got a situation with flaws. How to proceed?
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I'd start with the good parts. Establish a cordial relationship with this trainer, find something to congratulate. Move on to the not-so-good. Let's say, the initial kick posturing, which was actually just food defensiveness. Had he truly wished to kick, he'd have nailed her at that range. Lastly, suggest alternatives, offer remedies.
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Here, the understandable emotion is clouding clarity and purpose. She is treating all communicants the same way she addressed the horse. Don't fall for it! Ask yourself, What would Monty do?
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There is a wonderfully funny aspect to this video, though. From the get-go, the horse tells her "Eating **** is far preferable to being in your company!" He's got that right.

beryl
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i could see it this time.
Mal, love your last comment, ha ha ha, you got that right!
Mel, you described exactly what she did all the way through very aptly - not one iota of follow up let a lone join up - you are extremely observant, well done you for telling her how it is!!!!
It was an appalling piece of "horsemanship" to use the term very loosely!

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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Mel I'm really confused - I'm trying to find the original of this (i.e. not the one with your comments/analysis - impeccable as always) but I can't find it. If I type in aggressive stallion kicks it just comes up with your posting "Really what is your horse telling you" and for some reason I have no sound - was there sound on it?

LMSedgwick(Canada)
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I think this video clearly shows why Monty says - no whips...once she says "the tool"... I couldn't watch more than 2 minutes of that when its claiming to be knowledgeable versus trying to learn for training purposes. I imagine after someone like that works with your horse - the horse can tell you lot if you listen.

Mal
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The original is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PurqAVgdlnY
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In the introductory text that goes with the item, the lady apologises for the content. Then she responds to some negative comments with a rather adversarial stance. Quite what she expected, I'm not really sure.
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As readers of this forum, we have advanced far in our understanding of horse/human intercommunication. Unskilled practitioners, such as this lady, still have some way to go.

beryl
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Yes, so well done in putting her right!!!!!

vicci - UK (North Wales)
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Thanks Mel, got it :-)