would you please tell me what should i do if horse is attacking ? i cant go for join up ? i should say that the horse is really really a remedial horse ......
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Personally if a horse would attack me in the round pen I would get rid of it. I know nothing about your horse but if he was orphaned or grew up away from other horses then he might not know the language equus. There are so many good horses out there. Even rescue horses out there with a good disposition which you can get for almost free. Even an adopted mustang that grew up amongst other horses will be able to communicate the equus language. My name is not Monty but my advice is get rid of the horse and get one that you can work with. The other alternative is to send the horse to a proffesional trainer and if the horse is attacking the trainer then you do not want that horse near you and your loved ones.
I've dealt with many remedial horses over the past 17 years. I started using Monty's techniques 2 years ago, and I sware by it. Your horse is most likely being aggressive out of fear. He has probably been mistreated or has had no reason to trust humans. Don't be afraid to say "no" to your horse's aggressive behavior, but back it up with gentle affection. Consistency is the key. Do it the same every time. That builds the trust. Once you have the trust you can do anything you want. Sometimes you need to know when to ignore the bad behavior. Hope this helps.
How long have you had this horse?
Dear ebrahimak2001 - I would suggest not to attempt anything until you have figured out why the horse would attack. Please think about the safety when it comes to your horse and you - the horse is clearly trying to say something so use your knowledge about EQUUS wisely. Also, contact Flag Is Up Farm for advice. Please stay safe, figure it out and go from there,
Warm Regards Ann Lindberg Certified Instructor
Is it possible to find out something of this horses background prior to you acquiring him/her? It is un-natural for a horse to attack unless it has been mistreated by humans in the past. This seems to have horse learnt that humans are cruel and dangerous and need to be eliminated! It is a huge challenge to win the trust of these horses and it takes much time and patience so think about this carefully. I would start by just quietly standing in a safe spot outside the fence/yard and waite for the horse to start to accept me. Feed him daily then stand away for him to eat will also help to gain his trust. Stay safe - if you persevere you have a long, slow journey ahead of you but it can be done.
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It's not normal for a horse to attack unless he's being cornered. The first thing he'd usually do is try to run away from you, but in this case, it seems like there has been some abuse of the horse. I'd stay in touch with instructors like Monty to help this poor horse, and I disagree with luktha, you can't just get rid of him, he would have a very poor future.
Unfortunately some horses (not abused by humans) can display some pretty viscous behavior if they find that they can get away with it. Esp. if they did so as young brats, or if they have been abused by another horse(-s) and find people to be an "easy target" for their need to assert themselves.
Seems to me that most of them are either too cocky or too insecure, so - like Ann said - it's necessary to find out the whys.
Stay safe, ebrahimak2001,and best of luck!
Hi there ebrahimak2001,
First of all - Stay safe! Try not to corner this horse or put yourself in a position where you have no escape route.
Does this horse go out in the field? If so then just go to the field quite often and read a book out loud to the horse. I find this really good for relaxing both you and the horse and getting him/her used to you voice. Reading seems to make your body language as non-arresive as possible as you will be focused on the book not the horse. It will take a while but you will start to find that the horse will get ever so slightly more used to you in that they might not blast away quite so much at your approach and suchlike.
But if this horse doesn't go out in the field then just sit outside where ever you keep it on a regular basis and do the same thing. Read a book to it out loud.
Also maybe try leading another horse a safe distance past the remedial horse? If the remedial horse was hand reared away from other horses then it wont know the language therefore it would probably just ignore the other horse but if it know the language Equus then surely it would strain to get to the other horse or call out to it etc.
But overall stay safe and be patient.
You're going to need perseverance by the bucket load but if I were you I wouldn't just get rid of this horse it clearly needs help and if you get rid of it then it will probably have a very dark future ahead of it.
Abi - I love your idea of reading a book out loud, I never considered the fact that it might help to relax both you and the horse, but it makes complete sense, gets the horse used to your voice too.
thanks for the advices i was traveling for a while and i didn't have access to the site. i actually do not own the horse but i know that he was mistreated violently in a very bad way by a very bad trainer. he does not attack when you feed him you clean him but when you go he field for working if he can manage to make you fall off you should quickly run away because he will do something. i think this is the best way he found to defend himself while that trainer was working with him. but for building the trust i need join up but being alone with him in pen in not a good idea
there is an error in my comment : "when you go out to the field "
I'm pretty new to horses - I took on some rescue ponies and it's been a rocky road. One of mine had the tendency to rear up which was terrifying. In short I got a Monty Roberts RA to help me which was invaluable.
One thing I did was simply sit in an adjoining field and just spend time with the ponies and let them get used to my presence. In time we did some gentle work with the dually and used 'advance and retreat' which worked very well. If your horse feels under too much pressure this is when he is likely to 'attack'/become overly assertive. This is exactly what happened with one of mine. You need to have lots of patience and to treat the horse with fairness as it may take a long while for this horse to be able to trust.
Can you get an RA to come and assess the horse and give you some advice after observing it? When I did that it really changed things round for us. Best of luck with helping this horse, Lizzie
im living in iran so taking RA is impossible and i lost my chance to learn more with this horse because his owner sold him. i heard the new owner put him in a corner starved him for several days and just giving him water and finally he gave up. they are riding him now and he doesnt seem fighting too much however he look like extremely unhappy. any way i lost this opportunity to have join up with him.
thanks every one
ebrahimak2001 - pity that you didn't manage to do join up with him. I think he would have been a happier horse if you had. Starving horses and just giving them water for several days is typical of the traditional breakers approach to breaking a horses spirit. After starvation comes the leg tyed up around the neck for a day or so in the paddock and then the actual breaking takes place. Horse tend to come out of this either as kind of sombies who tolerate humans and are well behaved but are never willing partners or they are broken down with bad legs and backs etc. or they retain an under hidden hatred of humans which may emerge later in their lives.